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Re: Help us design our next Do-more platform!!
« Reply #60 on: January 03, 2014, 04:59:16 PM »
It is my understanding that we were already moving that direction to eliminate part numbers. But if we needed confirmation, I've heard one or two customers stress the importance of selectable analog... ;D
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Re: Help us design our next Do-more platform!!
« Reply #61 on: January 03, 2014, 05:50:00 PM »
Can we look forward to some 16 bit stuff?

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Re: Help us design our next Do-more platform!!
« Reply #62 on: January 03, 2014, 05:51:31 PM »
Can we look forward to some 16 bit stuff?

Analog? Current thinking is only 16 bit or better, at 1 ms update rate or better.
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Re: Help us design our next Do-more platform!!
« Reply #63 on: January 03, 2014, 07:34:52 PM »
It looks like 5mm removable euro style will be what we use on the brick and on 8 point modules. For 16 point, we will have to go to 3.5mm, which is what is used on DL05/06 option cards and Click. I'm pretty sure that spring clamp versions are available for both the 5mm and 3.5mm sockets. Not sure how ADC will handle it, but current thought is to let customer specify which they want at purchase time, although they may just sell the terminals separate as a 'goes with' type part.

Those are fine.  Even the 3.5mm like on the 0x 10-pt modules is preferable to the 16-pt 205 connector to me.  I'm not real fond of that one either.

AB and Siemens both ship modules connectorless and you have to order the screw or spring clamp terminal separate, since they've offered both types (in AB's case with the advent of the Control Logix).  That bit me the first time I did a CLX job because the SLC arms are screw-only and come with the modules.  I just ordered the CLX modules and didn't realize they didn't come with connectors, so they they showed up and we couldn't start wiring.  So that's a potential minor issue.

One approach would be to have an module order numbers "D1-16ND1-1S" and "D1-16ND1-1C", and still only stock one module and both connectors.  The customer gets in his order the D1-16ND1-1 module and the appropriate connector stocked separately but only one virtual part number. That would avoid the "Oh, I forgot to order the connectors" issue, the longer part list, without committing 50% of the shelf stock to one style or the other and rendering it unavailable to the people who like the other style.
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Re: Help us design our next Do-more platform!!
« Reply #64 on: January 03, 2014, 07:36:09 PM »
No, really, don't hold back, JW....tell us how you feel!   ;D
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Re: Help us design our next Do-more platform!!
« Reply #65 on: January 03, 2014, 07:44:33 PM »
Analog? Current thinking is only 16 bit or better, at 1 ms update rate or better.

Wow!   8)

Not much point in going more than 16-bit with standard industrial automation wiring practices.
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Re: Help us design our next Do-more platform!!
« Reply #66 on: January 03, 2014, 09:21:58 PM »
Analog? Current thinking is only 16 bit or better, at 1 ms update rate or better.

Wow!   8)

Not much point in going more than 16-bit with standard industrial automation wiring practices.

And we probably won't. The thing is that technology has moved analog forward enough that it isn't a big deal to do what I'm proposing, we'll see though. Current thinking is just that...current, and subject to change at a whim.
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Re: Help us design our next Do-more platform!!
« Reply #67 on: January 03, 2014, 10:20:59 PM »
I'd probably be happy with anything that's at least 14-bit.  Probably 15 for bipolar.  Love the high speed, though.
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Re: Help us design our next Do-more platform!!
« Reply #68 on: January 06, 2014, 09:59:53 AM »
All sounds great. 16 bit and 1 ms is great. I am assuming you mean 1 ms per channel? Will the analog have 0 to 5 and bipolar for the voltage? If not 16 bit 0-10 is still better the 12 bit 0-5. Not that I am pushing or anything but  ;),, what do you see as the time line for the new product? (3 months, 6 months, a year, don't know yet?) You had to know someone would ask, may as well be me!  ;D

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Re: Help us design our next Do-more platform!!
« Reply #69 on: January 06, 2014, 04:49:29 PM »
All sounds great. 16 bit and 1 ms is great. I am assuming you mean 1 ms per channel? Will the analog have 0 to 5 and bipolar for the voltage? If not 16 bit 0-10 is still better the 12 bit 0-5. Not that I am pushing or anything but  ;),, what do you see as the time line for the new product? (3 months, 6 months, a year, don't know yet?) You had to know someone would ask, may as well be me!  ;D

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Don't have all of the analog details yet, but the goal is to never be frustrated with either the resolution or update rate. We'll see what that translates to. One thought has been to allow you to configure precision vs update rate...faster with less bits or slower with more. As we get into it, we'll have a better idea of how practical it is.

In terms of time to market, I'd say at least a year, and likely more...but we aren't committing to anything specific. Much of it will come together quickly, but a typical UL certification time and ADC's typical launch time create a critical path of 8 to 10 months...and it won't be going to UL for a while. So sadly it won't be happening soon. My goal for this thread was to get feedback (now and hopefully ongoing) and get it into folks' mind that Do-more will be available in many forms. This is not a one and done by any stretch, Do-more is the future of Host.
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Re: Help us design our next Do-more platform!!
« Reply #70 on: January 07, 2014, 10:40:14 AM »
My hope was for sooner but I understand. I was a Plant Engineer for a couple of manufacturing companies before starting this adventure on our own. I know UL can take a lot of time and $$$, and they work on their schedule not yours. 

I think speed or resolution approach on the (selectable  ;)) analog card would work for us. Do you foresee a CTRIO option card?

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Re: Help us design our next Do-more platform!!
« Reply #71 on: January 07, 2014, 12:12:20 PM »
My hope was for sooner but I understand. I was a Plant Engineer for a couple of manufacturing companies before starting this adventure on our own. I know UL can take a lot of time and $$$, and they work on their schedule not yours. 

Much of what we expect to set the eventual launch is out of our control. Even if I thought we could be done much sooner (we won't) it would still be longer due to these issues. Been doing this at Host for nearly 22 years and the only constant is that engineering always takes longer than you think and hope. I would rather not set schedules and give folks false hopes.


Do you foresee a CTRIO option card?

Definitely. Although we will probably phase the release, bricks first, then option cards.
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Re: Help us design our next Do-more platform!!
« Reply #72 on: January 07, 2014, 12:20:39 PM »
I've added another thread talking about interrupts and fast response modules in the new platform, as well as possibly adding to existing platforms. Please comment over in the other thread: http://forum.hosteng.com/index.php/topic,1287.0.html
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Re: Help us design our next Do-more platform!!
« Reply #73 on: January 08, 2014, 07:48:53 AM »
How big of a brick are we thinking an 05 size or an 06 size or something inbetween?

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Re: Help us design our next Do-more platform!!
« Reply #74 on: January 08, 2014, 09:35:01 AM »
How big of a brick are we thinking an 05 size or an 06 size or something inbetween?

We're currently planning several different sizes.
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