Incomplete Status Display

[Controls Guy]

I'm working on a program where in All Status mode, not all of the status is showing (though everything appears to work).  Screenshot below is representative, but there are a bunch of other rungs showing only partial status.   As far as I've seen, the missing status is all in the contact area, and the output box area all seem to work so far.

Also, that weird thing is back where Ctrl-Down doesn't work, but Ctrl-Up and other stuff does.

DMD v2.11.2, all firmware up to date, and PLC OS and booter are updated.

[franji1]

Realize as soon as you modify a rung, whether its a contact, a wire, anything in that rung, status is OFF for THAT ENTIRE rung.  Is this what you are seeing (you mentioned wiring)

[franji1]

Realize as soon as you modify a rung, whether its a contact, a wire, anything in that rung, status is OFF for THAT ENTIRE rung.  Is this what you are seeing (you mentioned wiring)

Also, some boxes, when they are in a modified rung, show themselves in a partial status state (especially boxes that are not just a simple parm status, but a smart status layout - think PID).  They will arrange themselves as wanting to show status in this "smart status" layout, but do not actually display any status (because the rung itself is not necessarily running in the PLC since it's been edited).

[Controls Guy]

I don't think so.  Everything is synched with PLC and Saved to disk (no colored bars to the left)

I also tried switching to No Status and then back to All Status, with no change to which elements were live.

Update:  Just noticed something new.  If I click No Status I get no status.   If I click All Status, the button doesn't stay illuminated, the single Status button lights up.   Is this normal?   I never noticed before, I was just looking at the actual status display in the windows where I wanted it rather than the button display modes.

I also compared programs between DMD and the PLC and got a match.

[franji1]

Update:  Just noticed something new.  If I click No Status I get no status.   If I click All Status, the button doesn't stay illuminated, the single Status button lights up.   Is this normal?   I never noticed before, I was just looking at the actual status display in the windows where I wanted it rather than the button display modes.

Status button is an MDI specific status sticky button - click on a Data View, the Status sticky button turns/reflects status for that specific Data View on and off; click on a Ladder View, that Status sticky button reflects/turns status for that view on and off.
All Status ON is a normal button (not sticky) to turn status ON on ALL views (that support status)
Status OFF is also a normal button (not sticky) to turn status OFF on ALL views
Has worked this way since 1994.

I also compared programs between DMD and the PLC and got a match.

C103 is OFF - so there is no CYAN???
Are you also expecting to see ELEMENT status (in addition to the contact power flow status?).  This is an option in the Ladder View.

On the Display, Status tab of the Ladder Options, look at the Status group
"Show Element Status in Bit Contacts and Coils" may be UNchecked, but you want it CHECKED?

Let me know if this is what you are seeing

[Controls Guy]

Sorry, didn't have time to check back on that, I assume you're correct.   Still having the weird thing where Ctrl-Down doesn't work as I think I remember it should

Also, I'm used to double clicking on an instruction or address and getting the Change Value dialog when online.   Now I'm getting the Element Browser instead even though the checkbox is cleared in Global options. (Also, why is that option in Global?  Is there some place other than ladder where this would normally work?)

UPDATE:  Checked this (alternating between behavior and checkbox status) probably 10 times.   Went into a different logic block (a program), worked exactly as expected.  Back to the original, and now it's working.   

[franji1]

Also, I'm used to double clicking on an instruction or address and getting the Change Value dialog when online.   Now I'm getting the Element Browser instead even though the checkbox is cleared in Global options. (Also, why is that option in Global?  Is there some place other than ladder where this would normally work?)

UPDATE:  Checked this (alternating between behavior and checkbox status) probably 10 times.   Went into a different logic block (a program), worked exactly as expected.  Back to the original, and now it's working.   

Double-click behavior on a contact (instruction) is different based on different "modes" or "states" of your Designer session (explains some reasons why we have an Edit Mode vs. Display Mode):

• Edit Mode (online or offline - doesn't matter), double click brings up the editor.  2.11 lets you specify that you want to start editing on the specific parameter you double-clicked on (see Ladder Options)
• Display Mode, Offline - brings up Element Browser (to assign a NN or enhance any other field for that element)
• Display Mode, Online, Status Off - same as Display Mode/Offline, brings up Element Browser
• Display Mode, Online, Status ON - brings up the Change Value dialog.  Note that this is the default mode when connecting to a PLC Comm Link in RUN mode, typical scenario for a maintenance person 3 years after deployment.

[Controls Guy]

Well, I was definitely online and not in Edit mode (these two I knew about), but might not have had status on in that window.   Bopped over to the other program window, and may have done an All Status while there, which was why it worked there and also once I returned to the original program window.

I still have that weird thing where Ctrl-Down doesn't insert a row and vertical line.   Used to be somewhat intermittent, but now seems more consistent.   Different PC and different keyboard than when I originally posted about it.

[franji1]

I still have that weird thing where Ctrl-Down doesn't insert a row and vertical line.   Used to be somewhat intermittent, but now seems more consistent.   Different PC and different keyboard than when I originally posted about it.

Yeah, very strange.  That's all Windows messaging stuff, that normally "just works".  Does any other Ctrl+Arrow not work (i.e. for drawing), or Ctrl+Shift+Arrow (for deleting)?  Ctrl+Down is most common, however.  I sometimes do Ctrl+Up Arrow in the Output column to "insert" a row "above" for the output column (vs. Insert Row).