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Title: Do BRX sourcing outputs have built-in kick-back protection?
Post by: PLCwannabe on August 11, 2021, 12:03:19 PM
Do BRX sourcing outputs have built-in kick-back protection for operating small dc coil relays or is a snubber device even required? These relays will cycle up to 300 times/day.
Title: Re: Do BRX sourcing outputs have built-in kick-back protection?
Post by: Garyhlucas on August 11, 2021, 08:27:51 PM
Snubbers should be added, they are shown in the docs.
Title: Re: Do BRX sourcing outputs have built-in kick-back protection?
Post by: Controls Guy on August 11, 2021, 11:50:50 PM
I've almost never used one in 35 years and I've never, to my knowledge, worn out an output.   Killed them accidentally  switching into a dead short, but never wore one out inductively.   I'm sure it's just around the corner, though .
Title: Re: Do BRX sourcing outputs have built-in kick-back protection?
Post by: Garyhlucas on August 12, 2021, 09:06:38 AM
When digital Volt Ohm Meters first came out I blew out two of them in quick succession. I then realized while troubleshooting. I was checking voltage on the coil of a NEMA size 7 motor starter when it shut off.  Flyback voltage on that huge coil operating on 480vac was probably 20,000 volts or more!
Title: Re: Do BRX sourcing outputs have built-in kick-back protection?
Post by: ADC Product Engineer on August 12, 2021, 09:11:41 AM
It's not just the outputs that are being protected by adding snubbers.  It is also whatever else you have on that power circuit.  The CEMF spike will find the weakest link and start to eat (sic) away at the junctions for the transistors.  It may take awhile, but eventually something will fail.

Snubbers and surge protection are cheap insurance for your high dollar electronics.
Title: Re: Do BRX sourcing outputs have built-in kick-back protection?
Post by: PLCwannabe on August 12, 2021, 10:33:30 AM
Thanks for the info guys. I thought that with these being transistor outputs, they just might have built-in protection.
Title: Re: Do BRX sourcing outputs have built-in kick-back protection?
Post by: BobO on August 12, 2021, 12:03:24 PM
Thanks for the info guys. I thought that with these being transistor outputs, they just might have built-in protection.

Snubbers and high speed are mutually exclusive. There is a zener to help with inductive spikes, but it cannot be as robust as a snubber and still meet the performance requirement.

Edit: Realized that might not have been clear. Yes, there is some protection, a zener diode, which will handle small-ish amounts of inductive overvoltage. Depending on the size of the inductive load, a snubber may still be required, but is always preferred.